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Friday Mar 06, 2020
Friday Mar 06, 2020
What can Dietitians, and Dietetics, learn from the world of Therapy with Sarah Peck, NZRD
Sarah shares the decision behind her transition from dietetics to psychotherapy, experiencing burn out and finding the non-diet community, feeling disconnected with her story and body and finding opportunities to reconnect and disentangle, how the dietetic pathway / study could be improved with therapeutic elements, why we need to actively seek out feedback from marginalised folks and communities in our work (and some helpful examples), how we can ask for feedback respectfully, navigating weight stigma within university content as a student and the power of the student voice.
Here Fi and Sarah speak about:
- Becoming fast friends and some fun adventures they have shared together.
- Sarah’s transition from dietetics to psychotherapy;
- The decision behind the move – the nudges and natural progression.
- Burning out in a weight centric framework and finding the non-diet community and weight inclusive paradigms.
- Feeling disconnected with her own story and body and the importance of finding opportunities to reconnect and disentangle ourselves.
- Her experience as a therapeutic student studying in New Zealand.
- The core, therapeutic elements that should be included in all dietetic pathways/study;
- Reflexivity; what it is and how it can help us to consistently show up for our clients.
- Social Justice; seeing dietetics and health models through the social justice lens so we can leave behind assumptions, change the narrative and accept and embrace complexities.
- The importance of inclusion and actively seeking out feedback from people who experience marginalisation when our work as dietitians impacts them and how we can ask for this support respectfully – Sarah gives us some real-life examples!
- Question and Answer time – Sarah and Fi provide some helpful advice to a student dietitian in response to a recent Instagram post on weight stigma and speaking up as a student – see it here!
- Power dynamics at university and the power of the student voice.
As mentioned in the podcast:
- Dr Isaac Warbrick
- 8th Annual Weight Stigma Conference 2020, Auckland, NZ.
- Fi’s Instagram post on weight stigma and question from student.
More about Sarah:
Sarah is a human first but also happens to be a weight inclusive NZRD training to be a psychotherapist. She lives in Auckland, New Zealand with her family. Sydney, Australia is her second home, where she lived for many years, studied dietetics and had her three daughters.
Sarah has spent her dietetic career so far working in private practice and specialising in eating disorder recovery. She has a keen interest in how chronic health conditions impact relationships with self, body and food in both childhood and adulthood, fuelled by her own lived experience of a chronic health condition, raising two daughters with coeliac disease and the gifts of wisdom shared by her clients. Outside of private practice she has been passionate about working with organisations that support adolescents and young people with cancer and teacher education around age appropriate nutrition and health messaging for children
Find out more:
Tuesday Feb 18, 2020
Tuesday Feb 18, 2020
Andrea La Marre on the complexity of defining recoveries in biased systems of care.
In this episode, Andrea shares her interesting pathway to become an academic, speaker and activist, the impact of problematic systems in eating disorder treatment, how we can be better health professionals through self-monitoring, when it’s helpful to speak up and when it is not, why we need to work from a social justice-culturally appropriate-trauma-based care lens, the complexities involved in defining ‘recovery’, ‘recovery’ as a healthcare professional, why using plurals in recoveries can extend our understanding and so much more.
Here, we discuss:
- Sneaking Andrea onto The Mindful Dietitian podcast as a non-dietitian! - Watch this space as the podcast is switched up for 2020 to include guests with lived experiences and knowledge that is essential to our work as inclusive, client centred, non-diet dietitians!
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Andrea’s interesting pathway from acknowledging her own privilege in accessing eating disorder treatment, to completing her a masters and PhD in eating disorder recoveries, to her work as a lecturer, researcher, speaker, activist, and filmmaker.
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The problematic systems which lie within in eating disorder treatment, hindering access and inclusiveness.
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How ongoing self-monitoring and tuning into our biases can help us become better health professionals.
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When is it helpful to speak about our own experiences and when is it not, and why lifting the voices and experiences of those most marginalised doesn’t make ours less valid.
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The importance of working from a social justice, culturally appropriate, trauma-based care lens to improve societal systems for all.
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The call to be always ‘helping’ people, complexities involved in defining ‘recovery’ and ‘recovery’ / ‘recoveries’ as a healthcare professional.
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The papers and work Andrea is currently jiving on.
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Using plurals to understand the multiply, non-singular and non-linear pathways of recoveries and how it can also apply to other communities and experiences.
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Attending and presenting at the International Conference on Eating Disorders - ICED 2020 Sydney (ANZAED and AED) in June.
As mentioned in the podcast:
Published work of Dr Andrea LaMarre
International Conference on Eating Disorders - ICED 2020 Sydney (ANZAED and AED)
More about Andrea:
Andrea LaMarre is a researcher, writer, speaker, and aspiring filmmaker from Canada living in Auckland, New Zealand. She currently works at Massey University as a lecturer in critical health psychology. She obtained her PhD in 2018 at the University of Guelph, where she used qualitative and arts-based approaches to explore eating disorders recoveries from the perspectives of people in recovery and their chosen supporters. In her spare time, she watches really bad TV, reads young adult fiction, and spends entirely too much time on Twitter. She can also be found hiking with her husband or attending too many conferences
Connect with Andrea
Friday Jan 31, 2020
Friday Jan 31, 2020
Kimmie Singh on the history of HAES and the importance of effective allyship in body liberation work.
Kimmie shares her background as a fat dietitian and fat activist, what it was like for her navigating the traditional weight-centric education route as a HAES informed student, what Allyship is and how you can be a good ally, the history of the HAES movement, tips for speaking up and how to communicate thoughtfully in this paradigm, her vision for the future of dietetics and how she has evolved to become The Body Positive Dietitian.
Here Fi and Kimmie speak about:
- First meeting and then crossing paths at the Weight-Inclusive Nutrition & Dietetics (WIND) Symposium, where Kimmie was a key-note speaker!
- Kimmie’s background; what makes her special and her intention to create awareness around body diversity and fat activism in the health care profession.
- Kimmie’ experience as a HAES informed student as she went through the traditional nutrition and dietetic education route.
- Allyship; what it is and how you can be a good ally by considerately stepping aside and being thoughtful of safety.
- The history of the HAES movement.
- Tips for speaking up as a student and not expecting the person in the marginalised body to do it for you.
- Being brave in your branding and what this means for those in marginalised bodies.
- Thoughtful communication: how to discuss bodies without pathologizing and centring weight.
- Kimmie’s vision for the future of dietetics; de-experting and getting uncomfortable.
- The future for Kimmie and evolving to become The Body Positive Dietitian.
As mentioned in the podcast:
The history of HAES from the ASDAH blog;
Part 1 - Introduction
Part 2 - 1970’s & 1980’s
Part 3 – The early 1990’s
Part 4 – The mid-to-late 1990’s
Part 5 – The late 1990’s
More about Kimmie:
Kimmie Singh is a fat Registered Dietitian based in New York City. She completed her Master of Science in Nutrition at The University of North Carolina at Greensboro and her Dietetic Internship from The City University of New York-Hunter College. Kimmie is an associate at LK Nutrition, a Health at Every Size private practice that supports clients who are trying to heal their relationship with food and body. She also presents and consults on weight stigma in dietetics and dietetics training. Kimmie is a believer in kindness, compassion, and the power of advocacy. Learn more about Kimmie at www.bodypositivedietitian.com or on instagram @bodypositive_dietitian.
Connect with Kimmie
Tuesday Jan 14, 2020
Tuesday Jan 14, 2020
Leslie Schilling on the pervasive culture of under-fuelling in sports and performance & raising kids who can call out diet culture!
Here, Fi & Leslie talk about:
- Life, work and play in Las Vegas – keep up with Leslie’s weekend adventures on Instagram; “there is so much to do in Vegas off the strip!”
- What it’s like working with athletes, performers and artists in Las Vegas, particularly the performers from Cirque du Soleil!
- How Leslie supports her culturally diverse clients to adapt to life in the US and navigate diet culture through their interesting and demanding schedules.
- The culture and promotion of under fuelling in sports.
- How to help clients push back against under fuelling and the response from clients when they are given permission to eat.
- Tips on how to screen for under fuelling and restriction when working with athletes / performers – find out the important questions to ask!
- Interoceptive and somatic awareness, encouraging nutrition intuition and finding a common ground with coaches.
- How under fuelling can become an entrenched behaviour unintentionally and innocently, not just through disordered eating
- The culture that keeps us underfeed and what the salmon would do? (hint* swim upstream and dodge the diet culture BS!)
- The famous Lunch Box Card inspired by Dr. Katja Rowell and The Responsive Feeding Therapy Conference to take place in May 2020.
As mentioned in the podcast:
Born to Eat book by Leslie Schilling
IOC consensus statement on relative energy deficiency in sport (RED-S): 2018 update
The Feeding Doctor – Dr Katja Rowell
Responsive Feeding Therapy Conference May 2020
More about Leslie:
Leslie Schilling, MA, RDN, CEDRD-S owns a Las Vegas-based coaching practice, specializing in nutrition counseling for families, those of all ages with disordered eating concerns, and professional athletes and performers. In addition to running her practice, Leslie serves as a performance nutrition consultant for Cirque du Soleil® and an eating disorder specialist and supervisory consultant for eating disorder treatment centers in Nevada. With her warm, compassionate, and entertaining personality, Leslie been featured in media outlets like Women’s Health, Self, Pregnancy Magazine, The Yoga Journal, Bicycling, BuzzFeed, the Huffington Post, US News & World Report, and on HGTV. When she’s not spending time with her family, you can find her spreading non-diet messages to her clients and speaking platforms across the nation. Leslie is passionate about educating ministry, military, health, medical, and fitness professionals about the harms of typical dieting behaviors. You may know Leslie best as the creator of the Born To Eat® approach and co-author of the award-winning book, Born To Eat.
Connect with Leslie
Friday Jan 03, 2020
Friday Jan 03, 2020
Jenna Hollenstein on compassion and witnessing the evolution of Dietetic practice, asking "is this a tipping point?"
Jenna shares witnessing a new mood, observations of the current tipping point, the importance of compassion as we evolve as clinicians and as we witness the evolution of others, what compassion is and isn’t and how we embrace it, mindfulness and meditation; the notion of acceptance, making connections and a new training opportunity available for dietitians.
Here Fi and Jenna speak about:
- Living in NYC; its overstimulating nature and rich diversity with many opportunities for observation.
- Attending the 2019 FNCE; ‘The Superbowl for American Dietitians’ and its significantly different presence.
- The current tipping point within the dietetic community and profession - the hunger for IE and HAES exposure from students and dietitians early on in their careers.
- Why its important to enact self-compassion and not turn to self-aggression as we evolve and change.
- The misconceptions of self-compassion;
- What it really is and what it isn’t.
- The need to balance feminine and masculine qualities.
- How we can embrace self-compassion through this environmental shift by being conscious and aware of our evolution and the evolution of others.
- Compassion VS Idiot Compassion; understanding the complexities of the human experience and the need to call out / call in – and knowing it’s not easy!
- Mindfulness in practice through connections and the notion of acceptance.
- Teaching the Open Heart Project Meditation Instructor Training with Susan Piver and a new meditation instructor course just for dietitians – watch this space!
As mentioned in the podcast:
FNCE 2019: 247. Intuitive Eating: What Every Registered Dietitian Nutritionist Needs to Know
Dr Kristin Neff – Self Compassion
Open Heart Project Meditation Instructor Training with Susan Piver
Find Jenna:
More about Jenna:
Jenna Hollenstein, MS, RDN, CDN, is a non-diet dietitian who helps people struggling with chronic dieting, disordered eating, and eating disorders. She uses a combination of Intuitive Eating, mindfulness techniques, and meditation to help her clients move toward greater peace, health, and wellness. Jenna’s private practice is located in New York City where she consults with clients in person and virtually. Jenna is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist (RDN) and a Certified Dietitian Nutritionist (CDN) in New York State. She has a Bachelors degree in Nutrition from Penn State, a Masters degree in Nutrition from Tufts University, is a Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor and an Open Heart Project meditation guide. In 2018, Jenna joined the board of The Center for Mindful Eating. Jenna teaches at mindfulness retreats in the United States and France. She has been featured in U.S. News & World Report, Health, Mindful, Vogue, Elle, Glamour, and Fox News. Jenna is the author of Understanding Dietary Supplements, a handy guide to the evaluation and use of vitamins, minerals, herbs, and botanicals for both consumers and clinicians, and the memoir Drinking to Distraction. Her third book, Eat to Love: A Mindful Guide to Transforming Your Relationship with Food, Body, and Life, was published in January, 2019.
Wednesday Dec 18, 2019
Wednesday Dec 18, 2019
Julie Duffy Dillon on the power of language, holding space & inclusive care.
Julie Duffy Dillon shares her journey to creating the ‘Love Food’ podcast and more about its unique format, her experience with supervision and its vital place in working and being with clients, transitioning from a weight centric to weight inclusive practice, supporting clients with polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS) and the importance of language and gender inclusive care in this paradigm.
Saturday Dec 07, 2019
Saturday Dec 07, 2019
Meghan Cichy on HAES-aligned Medical Nutrition Therapy & Fat Positive Dietetic practice
Here Fi & Meghan speak about:
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The establishment of Creating Peace with Food, and multi-disciplinary Rooted Heart Healthcare, sharing space with other like-minded providers.
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How guiding values can form the core of a healthcare team
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Why providing a safe space for clients is so important
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What does being a “Fat Positive” provider mean?
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The importance of authentic allyship so that we can offer care and services that are body-affirming
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Practical tips to move in a more affirming practice direction
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How to elevate the experience and perspective of those with lived experience
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The development of the Health At Every Size (R)-aligned MNT resources (see links below to download!)
Find out more:
Instagram and Facebook: @creatingpeacewithfood
Facebook: @meghancichyrdn
www.creatingpeacewithfood.com
www.rooted-heart.com
As mentioned in Podcast:
Google Drive for HAES & MNT Handouts
Body Trust Summit (March 2020)
Becoming Eating Disorder Aware Training Series (Jan 2020)
More about Meghan:
Meghan (she/her) is passionate about working with her clients from a weight neutral, Health at Every Size ® perspective and believes in self-compassion as a foundation for re-building trust, connection, and confidence with ones own body. Meghan is a traditionally trained dietitian, however, her philosophical approach to nutrition counseling is anything but. She focuses on centering her clients as an expert in their own explorations and healing process, and supports her clients in building connection and confidence in their own innate intuition. Meghan believes that all bodies, regardless of size, shape, color, ability, age, or gender identity deserve access to respectful and high quality care. Her work with clients incorporates weight neutral approaches to self care utilizing a Health at Every Size approach. She works with her clients to support them in defining health for themselves and dismantling the idea that health is a moral obligation. Meghan also recognizes that her clients needs are vast and diverse. She takes the time to consider the big picture of her clients’ lives and lived experience in order to best support her clients in their food and body healing work. She utilizes a flexible approach to food and eating grounded in reconnecting to hunger, fullness, appetite, satiety, and pleasure. Meghan is a Certified Eating Disorder Registered Dietitian (CEDRD) and is currently working towards her Body Trust certification. She enjoys working with clients who are interested in healing and strengthening their relationship with food and their body. Because Meghan recognizes that everyone comes to this work at a different point on the body liberation continuum she is eager to meet her clients where they are and enjoys walking the path along side them. Meghan’s personal life aligns with her professional life as she finds great joy in supporting her preschooler and infant in discovering the wonder of their body and pleasure in their eating. Her recreational reading leads her to deeper dives into social justice and anti-oppression work, and she finds joy in spending time in the outdoors and engaging in group movement like hiking and soccer.
Tuesday Nov 19, 2019
Tuesday Nov 19, 2019
"Data Driven meets Client-Centered" with Fiona Sutherland & guest Fiona Willer (aka "Fi-Squared)
In this episode, Fiona Willer joins Fi again for another "Fi-squared" episode and speak about:
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The essentials of weight science, and what every Dietitian needs to know about understanding research
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The problematic nature of Paediatric weight-focussed research, including lack of long-term follow up.
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The discrepancies between the way Dietitians identify their practice and their level of knowledge in weight-inclusive approaches.
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Fi’s favourite episode from her “Unpacking Weight Science” Podcast and what you can expect from signing up!
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If Fi was designing her own Dietetic program…..and her wishes for the profession
- Upcoming training in 2020
Fiona's Unpacking Weight Science Course
Follow Fiona on Instagram or Twitter
More about Fiona:
Fiona Willer is an Advanced Accredited Practising Dietitian who combines academic research, university lecturing and public speaking with creating professional development resources and training for health professionals through her business, Health Not Diets. Her research areas are dietetic private practice benchmarking, inter-professional learning and the integration of weight neutral lifestyle approaches (including Health at Every Size® and the Non-Diet Approach) into the practice of health professionals, particularly dietitians. Creator of the innovative Unpacking Weight Science professional development podcast, Fiona has great enthusiasm for both interrogating weight research and overusing food and eating metaphors in everyday life.
Tuesday Oct 15, 2019
Tuesday Oct 15, 2019
Annie Goldsmith on integrating Acceptance & Commitment Therapy in Dietetic Practice.
Annie and Fi talk about:
- Annie's passion for Health At Every Size (R) and background in Brain & Cognitive Sciences
- Working with groups & supporting an environment of collective healing
- The gift of our experiences being witnessed and held in groups
- Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) - what is it?
- Useful intersections of ACT & Dietetic practice
- Skills & tools core to the ACT hexaflex
- How ACT can be helpful to support longer-term recovery from diet culture and eating disorders
- The important place of values in ACT
Links mentioned in this podcast:
https://www.actmindfully.com.au/
More About Annie:
Annie Goldsmith is a Registered Dietitian and owner of Second Breakfast Nutrition, a private practice in Charlotte North Carolina. Annie specializes in working with clients recovering from eating disorders, disordered eating, chronic dieting, and body image struggles. She is also co-owner of The Art of Intentional Eating, where she facilitates courses, support groups, and size inclusive yoga classes grounded in the HAES and IE philosophies. She is passionate about offering non-diet, weight inclusive care and grateful for the opportunity to hold space for those on their recovery journeys
Find Annie here:
Wednesday Jul 24, 2019
Wednesday Jul 24, 2019
Deb Benfield on slowing down, the intersection of yoga & self reflective work, and honouring the ageing body.
Here Deb and Fi speak about:
- How connecting with therapists, and getting supervision felt so important
- Yoga teacher training with Anna Guest Jelley & significant teachers
- The intersection of yoga & Dietetic practice
- Developing the language of interoception, and bringing this into Dietetic practice
- Why we need to slow down the "hunger-fullness" conversation, and how it can unintentionally lead to shame
- The somatic process
- The importance of slowing down, being attentive & curious to enhance safety
- Safety builds trust, to
- Spend time building "the base"
- How we might unintentionally perpetuate the very constructs we are aiming to dismantle
- Doing our own work, softening into our own experience, staying curious
- Centering your client & their experience
- Honouring the ageing body without medicalising or pathologising
- Choosing an appropriate yoga class - for you, and your clients!
- Supervision as a powerful tool for improving our capacity & enhancing wellbeing
More about Deb:
Nutrition Therapist, Freedom Fighter, Recovery Coach and Yoga Teacher on a
mission for all to know All Bodies are Good Bodies. I am passionate about
partnering with my clients and students to:
• Develop ease around food, eating and body image
Reclaim the PLEASURE of eating again!
• Choose foods that allow a balance of joy, satisfaction and well-being.
• Compassionately cultivate a way of eating that is both embodied and
intentional.
• Nourish yourself so that you will feel vital and have the energy for all of the
ways you play!
Owner and Lead Nutritionist at Body in Mind Nutrition/Debra Benfield
Counsulting-Offering Nutritional Therapy and Coaching for individuals, couples
and families, Professional Supervision for therapists, Dietitians, and Coaches,
Embodied Eating Groups and Workshops, Body Liberation Yoga Classes and
Workshops, and Worksite Wellness Programs with a Health at Every Size
perspective. Currently an active member of the Eating Disorder Treatment Team
at Wake Forest University. Founder of the Winston-Salem Eating Disorder
Coalition.
Website:
http://www.bodyinmindnutrition.com/
Links mentioned in this podcast:
https://michaelstoneteaching.com/
Yoga in Dead Podcast
https://www.yogaisdeadpodcast.com/
Michelle Cassandra Johnson - Skill in Action (book)